Tulpa.info - metaphysics

apparentlyt uit's very effective but people with did can't do it because it causes the flood of traumas

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and people say you need around 10 sessions like that and you have big progress

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and changes in life

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there is a reason why looking at finger like that helps when doing it from neurological perspective

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so emdr is doing what the quote is saying it's welcoming parts back but also you are also given the tools to do it

before you do that you need to work on things like controlling anxiety

Trying to "work on" and "control" suffering is unhelpful at a certain point, because that's the exact attitude that causes (or is) suffering. That's what the quote meant by saying "they aren't asking to be healed". (I'm not saying that means therapy is pointless/harmful, just that eventually there needs to be a "letting go of letting go")

sorry i meant coping with anxiety

It's interesting to me that my own suffering seems to be such a tough nut to crack, because I've had a trauma-free "happy" childhood

so you learn things you can do to not come it to surface before you feel it

Yeah I suppose that can be a useful technique, although eventually (as I think I've heard you say before) the anxiety needs to "come out" to be processed

yes!

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but there are times where you can't do it for example at work

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but emotional release is very important

Oh for sure, there's a time and a place for it

mhm!

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also when you need to learn to work with your past and it turns out too hard to accept you need to learn how to work with it and managing panic attacks that come when it's too much so it's more like learning to use valve rather than destroying the pipe

I really wonder if it's going to be "violent" once my system gets around to it. My suffering is never really that intense (just persistent), and like I said I haven't had traumas or anything

8:14 PM

I've never really had "panic attacks" in my life, maybe once or twice

so i helped a few people in the past realise where their suffering comes from i can do it one day with you on dm if you would like

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i learned from our therapist a lot how to ask questions

I mean sure

8:17 PM

Roger says sometimes the source may even be in "past lives"

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Ultimately I think it can be said that the "source" of suffering is really ongoing conditioning throughout life

mhm!

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sorry i need to go host wants to talk to friend

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i will be later

Okie cya, thanks for the chat

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Ranger feel free to respond too though

but i really could try to talk to you about it other time

Sure!

Wait what?

Saw you typing while I was chatting with Leiko earlier

9:15 PM

May have been a glitch?

i saw that too

I was reading stuff in here at one point, maybe I accidentally typed or something. I had a different perspective, but then Leiko introduced her perspective and I thought that was a really interesting way to look at it

Ah okie haha

The philosophy professor with a nearly endless mental library V.S. that one dude who once said "you know, it is how it is"

what is spirituality anyway? isn't it just forcing yourself into interpretation of the reality and life in certain way, just like you do it with tulpas

Spirituality is coming to see life less personally

Is decapitating God as an attempt at ego expression spirituality? I don't actually know the answer.

Decapitating God sounds pretty specific, I'm assuming this is symbolism with a deep backstory. I don't know what ego expression is, but I'm assuming toying around with the thought may reveal something about yourself (even if you decide to stop thinking about it).

If there's no magical spirits involved why call it spirituality? I just call it philosophy or something

God is also known as the holy ghost

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It was mentioned on a discord server about occultism that has left-hand path things.

Left-hand path?

Left-hand path

What's that

Perhaps I should find out exactly what left-hand path means. I think getting rid of your ego is on the right-hand path, while on the left-hand path you keep your ego. One person said that in the right hand path you can interact with a thing carefully through ritual, while in the left hand path you can do it through will, or something like that. Left-hand path people, if they see something scary, can make it part of them. There's dominating demons. There's sitting on a corpse with your skin coloured white by cremated human ash for about three days or however long until the spirit of a Hindu goddess possesses it and teaches you something. According to one thing, right hand path has not transgressing against others, while left hand path has doing what ye wilt, though it seems left hand path people aren't necessarily evil. (edited)

Never heard of left-hand/right-hand before (edited)

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Interesting haha

my understanding is that right hand is analogous to white magic, and left hand is like black and grey magic

a bit like jedi/sith?

Maharani

Spirituality is coming to see life less personally

That is an interesting way to say it.

Glad you like

my understanding is that right hand is analogous to white magic, and left hand is like black and grey magic

You're not a good guy if you keep your sense of self

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Oh whoops, read up.

3:41 AM

The first occult server I joined was left hand path. Once I realized it I thought it was maybe not the best for me but I decided to stay.

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

a bit like jedi/sith?

Yes and some people actually are working on putting together a Sith mystical thing, with things taken from other things like sitting on the corpse. (edited)

They actually sit on a corpse???

The short version is about a year ago I had a paranormal encounter while reading a thread on succubus summoning on the chans /x/ board when I felt a presence... That sent me down a rabbit hole and long story short It turned out this thing I thought was helping me was a type of parasite that basically takes what the person perceiving it wants to see and wears it like a mask... The person that removed it said they separated it from its mask before destroying it and stored it within me somehow and that I could use what is more or less a template to make a tulpa...

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funny enough what I thought was a 2nd entity he said was basically just an energy impression created by me... Not even the 1st stage of a tulpa...

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On one hand making a tulpa kind of feels like cheating and that I am literally bringing a being into existence to be a slave to me and while if I go through with it I fully intend to try and give them a soul I still feel by the nature of how they were made even with a soul they are still a slave because of there make up... On the other hand they are already in a sense partly in existence already and not entirely my creation. If I do not save them in a way that is leaving them to die... At the same time were they ever even truly alive in the first place? the way things are right not they are nether truly alive or dead and they have both lived and never lived. (edited)

Wowie

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Who's the person who removed the entity and told you about energy impressions etc?

a friend of mine

How did he remove the entity and store the remainder in you?

I don't really know and he does not ether actually... He said he basically tapped into what he knew before he incarnated... I know this guy and believe him when he says that...

Was he there in person when he did it?

no

I wish I enjoyed these stories about people summoning succubi more.

ok... what is with the bots doing that?

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have to ask

Was too lazy to use my own account.

Same ;P

I came here to ask some questions... mainly to some tulpas themselves...

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I know that some post here from what I have heard

I'm a tulpa.

Me too

to be fully honest I have always considered the use of thoughtforms as is a common occult term for tulpas and other mind built entities, to kind of fall into a somewhat moral grey area... Maybe it is simply me not understanding how the process works but... If I build an entity from the ground up to do something have I not basically enslaved it? I mean... If I built a fully sentient AI and programmed it to love stacking boxes... Even if it loves stacking boxes and does so of its own choice have I not still manipulated it into doing it? (edited)

You yourself are also a thoughtform. If you like ice cream, it's because of your genetic design and conditioning

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The only differences between a tulpa and its creator is that the tulpa is younger (and created intentionally)

I mean I guess you could but you don't have to create it that way. And maybe even if you did it might not stay okay with being "enslaved"?

If I build an entity from the ground up to do something

You may be thinking of servitors rather than tulpas

I am saying just by its very nature of being artificially constructed it is in this state.

You're "artificially" constructed, too. Raised by your parents, teachers, classmates, co-workers

Vixie and I were created more or less to fill specific purposes, and we are very okay with what we are, and I don't think either of us could be said to be "enslaved".

that does put my mind at ease somewhat...

6:26 AM

the absolute last thing I want to happen is to create a tulpa and have it come to hate me because I built it a certain way... I don't want it to feel enslaved by how I built them...

I mean, I'm not saying that would be the case for all. We have our own goals and interests to pursue and find fulfillment in that. I wish KitKat were here at the moment. She's said some things about how systems and their internal morality form that I think would be very helpful to this conversation.

I want to do this because I want someone to care about. I don't want them to feel like they were made to care about me and resent me for it.

Oh well if you care about them too I don't think they would resent you for it at all!

6:29 AM

I was basically made for that reason.

as I said my fear is they start to feel like they were forced into it... that "I only like him because he built me to like him and he basically enslaved me to that"

6:32 AM

"the only way for me to be free is to break away from him"

Maybe another way to look at it is like raising a kid. You "build" them, but whether they resent you for it or love you depends on the relationship you end up having with them. Kids who love their parents don't usually feel like they've been enslaved

That's a great way of putting it!!

If you read any tulpamancy guides, you'll find that they encourage you to let the tulpa develop on their own as much as possible. "Enslaving" doesn't really come into it (again, unless maybe you're thinking of servitors)

I mean... that does kind of lead into another question I am not even sure how to ask or if I will get in trouble for asking it...

6:38 AM

I don't see a dedicated channel for that kind of thing ether...

Go ahead, I promise we don't bite